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9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:05 pm
by Noodles
I have had two female rats for 9 days now. One is 9 weeks, the other 7 1/2 weeks. The elder rat is making a strange purring/congested/squeaking sound? She doesn't do it all the time, if her attention is taken by something else, she'll stop for 5 seconds or so, and then carry on, she also doesn't do it when she's settled down before sleeping. I can't see that she's bored, their cage is full of things and they have a minimum of an hour of free roaming time a day, and they're in the living room and we're always talking to them.

The breeder told us she squeaks when she comes into heat, however this has lasted around 48 hours now. It was quite loud and consistent for around the first 4 hours, seems to be a bit less now but she's still doing it.

Any ideas? Am I being paranoid? These are the first rats I've owned so a bit cautious.

Thanks

Re: 9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:34 pm
by cyber ratty
I'd keep an eye on her, she may need meds if it's a case of pasteurella or something. Check with the breeder.

Re: 9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:26 pm
by cyber ratty
Or it could be parasitic bronchitis, so a spot of ivermectin is a good idea just in case.

Re: 9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:16 pm
by Noodles
Thanks for the advice. We had planned to take her to the vet Tuesday night. Woke up Tuesday morning and she was silent after being quite noisy Monday night. Came home from work Tuesday and she was still silent, we had her out running around and she was fine so hoped that was the end of it. Tonight at about 9pm she started doing it again :(

Definitely taking her to the vet tomorrow regardless of whether she's actually making the noise or not.

Found a website called joinrats.com (apologies if I'm not supposed to reference other websites) where they have videos of various rats making different noises and she sounds similar to Rose on there if anyone is familiar with the video or is interested in the noise I'm on about.

I just regret not taking her on Tuesday...

Re: 9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:37 am
by Noodles
So I took her this morning and they've given me:

Inflacam Anti-inflammatory 0.16ml daily for 5 days
Baytril 2.5% 0.04ml for 10 days

Does that sound about right in your experience?

Re: 9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:34 am
by cyber ratty
The baytril dose seems low - 0.04 twice a day would be suitable for an 80g rat and at 9 weeks she should be far bigger than that.

I hope they haven't also told you to put it in her water? If they have, I'd start looking for a different vet.

Re: 9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:49 pm
by Noodles
Oh :| they weighed her and she's 240g. Should it be more like 0.12ml then? (Just multiplying by 3, not sure if that's how it works :roll: )

No they didn't say in water thankfully. They just gave me some little syringes so I put a drop on some kale and she didn't seem to notice.

Re: 9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:25 pm
by [cub]
The BSAVA enrofloxacin (Baytril) dose range for rats is anything from 5-25mg/kg twice daily, or 0.2-1.0mL/kg twice daily of the 2.5% solution. 0.04mL twice daily in a 240g rat works out at about 4mg/kg, so even lower than the lowest dose. :roll:

The dose my vet normally uses is 10mg/kg twice daily, so that would be about 0.1mL twice daily for a 240g rat. You may need to go back for more so as to have enough for a full course. You may also find that kale stops working at higher doses since it's not very absorbent, but if it's worked so far it's worth sticking with it for now.

Assuming that the Inflacam is a 1.5mg/mL meloxicam solution, 0.16mL per day is actually the correct dose for a 240g rat. Goodness me. :o :lol:

Re: 9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:07 pm
by Noodles
Thank you cub that's a massive help.

I'm certainly more inclined to trust you guys on here, no disrespect to my vet, I guess they don't get huge amounts of rat training...

I'll definitely just go for 0.1ml twice a day. She loves barley rings so I can use that as a more absorbent second option.

You are correct about the Inflacam. Not sure what's happened with the calculations :roll:

Re: 9 week old female making a strange noise

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:20 pm
by Noodles
Just an update on this:

After 4 days of Baytril & 3 days of Inflacam she (Dill) more or less stopped making the noise. By day 7, the noise was back. (Inflacam course was only 3 days)

Took her back to the vets, who was a bit confused. The vet listened to her lungs, said they sounded clear and the noise was possibly coming from her throat, possibly a scratch? And maybe the Inflacam helped. Dill has shown no sign of lethargy, infact, she's as energetic, if not more so now, than she ever has been. Her cagemate Scout has shown no signs of URI.

The vet gave me 2 options, Baytril (0.1ml per day), Ronaxan (Doxy?) (0.13ml twice a day) & Inflacam (0.18ml per day) for 10 days or refer to a specialist for x-rays.

I went for the medication, as at this point Dill is showing no sign of being ill other than the noise and thought one more blitz of medication was worth a shot, but a bit apprehensive to keep plying her with drugs if she doesn't need them.

What I cannot understand is she doesn't always make this noise! She can be silent for 24 hours, and then be very loud for a couple of hours (sounds a bit like a coffee percolator/guinea pig) and then quiet again. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it. The vet suggested making a diary of when she does it and how loud to try and find a pattern which I'm doing.

The breeder did say that when she squeaks when she's on heat - wondering if that could be it but doesn't sound much like a squeak to me? Anyone else experienced anything like this? Surely I cannot have the only talkative rat in the world? :roll: