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Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by Feolthanos » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:18 pm

A week and half a go I brought home two almost 7 weeks old bucks. Both lovely, but complete nutters :lol:

One of them however has been sneezing. He was also making an odd little sound, sorta like a hiccupping guinea pig (if that makes any sense) which goes on for a few seconds. He made this for the first couple days but then stopped. I spoke to the breeder and we agreed that if was probably just new home stress and not to worry.

The last couple days however I've witnessed that odd noise again (sadly can't seem to get it on camera) and the sneezing seems more frequent. I've not seen any porph on him, but there was quite a bit in the bedding yesterday morning and the odd sneeze has been quite loud. He's mostly sneezing when he's snoozing, not when he's active (so if I wasn't working from home right now, I'd probably not even notice!).

Otherwise he seems really well and not ill in the slightest. I wouldn't usually be itching for a vet visit, but with the current climate I know I can't just get an appointment (all vets round me, and even the more specialised one further afield are emergencies only with possibility of video call appointments), so it's leaving me worried if it develops into anything.

As far as I can tell it's just the one and not his brother. I was going to introduce to my other two rats this weekend however.

My gut says just to monitor and see, but also freaking slightly at the vets. I've taken the bedding out (it's the teabag stuff) today, just in case it's an irratent to him and had a window open to make sure there's some fresh air circulating. Not sure what else to do :?

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by cyber ratty » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:57 pm

Has he been treated with ivermectin? It could be parasitic bronchitis, which is where bladder worms have migrated to the lungs.

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by Feolthanos » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:19 pm

cyber ratty wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:57 pm
Has he been treated with ivermectin? It could be parasitic bronchitis, which is where bladder worms have migrated to the lungs.
No he's not had anything yet. Is that the spot on stuff that you can get in pet shops? If so is there a certain brand recommendation?

Would it be worth a vet visit if so, or is it a simple thing that I can treat at home (like treating your dog for fleas for example).

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by cyber ratty » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:00 am

Yes you can treat at home - the spot on sold in petshops (Beaphar?) tends to be a pipette with a dose for an adult, so only use a portion of it. It's also quite dilute so the rat ends up quite wet, I prefer to use harkamectin or pharmaq which you can get in a 5ml bottle and only 1 drop is needed, but I don't know how the costs compare.

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by Feolthanos » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:44 am

Update. I checked my local shops stock levels and they were out, so I've ordered some Anti-Parasite Ivermectin Spot On, just to make sure I have it if needed.

I'm working from home again (same room as the rats) so I'm going to keep an extra ear out and how much he's sneezing today.

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by [cub] » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:48 am

cyber ratty wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:00 am
Yes you can treat at home - the spot on sold in petshops (Beaphar?) tends to be a pipette with a dose for an adult, so only use a portion of it. It's also quite dilute so the rat ends up quite wet, I prefer to use harkamectin or pharmaq which you can get in a 5ml bottle and only 1 drop is needed, but I don't know how the costs compare.
I've found that the Beaphar spot-on is actually no more expensive if you've only got a few rats at any given time. Since these medications have an expiry date, an entire bottle of Harkamectin/Pharmaq mostly gets wasted (even if you take expiry dates as more suggestions than rules like I do :oops: ). I do still use Harkamectin/Pharmaq by preference though, just so I don't feel as guilty drenching the poor things!

Make sure that the spot-on you've ordered is going to be the right dosage for rats. You can check here if you need dosage help; there seems to be a fairly wide range of effective+safe dosages for rats, but you still don't want to over/underdose by too much.
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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by Feolthanos » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:55 pm

[cub] wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:48 am

Make sure that the spot-on you've ordered is going to be the right dosage for rats. You can check here if you need dosage help; there seems to be a fairly wide range of effective+safe dosages for rats, but you still don't want to over/underdose by too much.
I got the rat/rabbit one, which is for rats over 300g.

My youngest ain't this yet, but are rapidly putting on weight so they'll be near enough come the weekend. I didn't feel comfortable with getting the hamster version, it seemed like it would be too weak and I have the option of dosing my oldest heafty boys if they develop symptoms with this one too.

I'm not however going to use the whole pipette, depending on the weight at the time, awkward I know, but various comments online about having success with it with care.

Any suggestions welcome.

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by sophielizzie » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:20 pm

Hi is this Beaphar safe if he grooms himself or if another rat grooms him?

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by Feolthanos » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:46 pm

You need to keep them separate from other rats until it dries so that no one accidentally overdoses themselves by licking off, but otherwise I believe it is fine once dry.

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by [cub] » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:55 pm

Ivermectin can be taken orally, and while it is easier to overdose on it orally, if you adhere to the correct dosage for the weight of the rat, a medicated rat grooming it off themselves should be fine.

I do generally separate medicated rats out until they've dried off or at least mostly dried off so that their cagemates don't lick it off them, just to make sure as much of the medication as possible gets into the right rat.
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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by Feolthanos » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:00 pm

Ok so both younger rats were dosed on Friday evening.

Over the last couple days I've heard less sneezing, but the worst affected is still making the odd hiccupping sound. They both yesterday however sounded quite snuffly, as if they had a cold. Is this a normal, the treatments working sorta sound? I've kinda been seeing it as a good thing as they are sneezing less often, like when a human has a runny nose but then when you're getting better you feel all flemy :sick: Is this right?

I'm going to contact the vets on Friday if they don't show further improvement, but just not sure what I should be listening out for now they've introduced a new sound into the mix :roll: Both rats still acting like everything is fine and dandy.

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by Feolthanos » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:18 pm

Okay well one of my rats also gained a scratch on his eye (they do like making me worry this two :roll: ), so as I needed to contact the vets anyways and with concerns that they didn't seem to be making any improvements I rung up and got a phone appointment (with some images emailed in).

I've been prescribed metacam, baytrill (for both) and maxitrol eye drops (for the one eye).

Got to say I was quite impressed, from ringing to get an appointment, to medication arriving, just under 4 hours.

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Re: Another new sneezing rat topic

Post by cyber ratty » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:56 am

Wow, that is excellent service - I hope it solves the problems :luck:

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