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Baytril Prescription

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:30 pm
by MaisyPolly
Please can anyone advise me. I am picking up a prescription tomorrow from vets, for Baytril. I had a telephone appt today with vet at pets at Home, cost 45 pounds, and he is giving me a prescription for 2 weeks only.. I have 3 sneezy rats and really wanted to buy a 100 ml bottle, as going to be economical. If i go online with my prescription and order a 100 ml bottle, with my prescription, will they only give me 2 weeks supply from that bottle? or send the whole bottle. Many Thanks .

Re: Baytril Prescription

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:10 pm
by CorbinDallasMyMan
It can be complicated.

The antibiotics I get from my vet have been pre-mixed into a suspension that I can give directly to my rats. Medications are often not given straight. I would suggest finding out what form of the medicine you've been prescribed. Is it a bottle of straight Baytril or has it already been mixed/diluted for you? If they're giving you a bottle of straight Baytril, purchasing a bigger bottle wouldn't be a bad idea. If it's pre-mixed, I'd 100% go with that. Measuring and mixing a suspension is complicated, letting the vet do it for you might be a better idea.

Ask your vet exactly what they're giving you. Ask them how many mg/ml it is. Ask them how many ml you're supposed to give your rats and how often you're supposed to give it.

Re: Baytril Prescription

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:15 pm
by MaisyPolly
Thankyou very much for your kind reply x I shall have to check with my vet. Is 45 pounds a normal price for a phone consultation for a rat? so expensive !

Re: Baytril Prescription

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:01 am
by CorbinDallasMyMan
MaisyPolly wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:15 pm
Is 45 pounds a normal price for a phone consultation for a rat? so expensive !
My vets charge $65 USD (53 pounds) for an exam. In regular times, my vet wouldn't do a phone consultation but these aren't regular times :) so I think vets are continuing to charge what they charge for their time.

Re: Baytril Prescription

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:45 am
by cyber ratty
In the UK, baytril is always dispensed ready to give to the rat - I don't know what they do in the US, but the OP is in the UK.

Also, we have quite strict controls over antibiotics here, to prevent overuse, so I very much doubt it would be possible to buy a whole bottle. It might seem more economical but it would go out of date long before it was all used anyway.

MaisyPolly, check what dosage your rats have been given - as a rough guide, if a rat weighs about 300g, I would expect them to need 0.15ml twice a day (for 2.5% baytril, some vets use a weaker dilution but it's even harder to get them to take it!). Unfortunately a lot of vets give lower doses than that, and it's not going to do the job. If they haven't specified enough, then explain that they will likely waste a lot by not eating what you've attempted to disguise it in, and ask if they'll give you an extra few mls.

Incidentally, how sneezy are they, what other symptoms do they have, how old are they, and how long have they been showing symptoms? It would be unusual for all 3 rats to need treatment at the same time. If they are well in themselves other than sneezes, it could even just be hayfever.

Re: Baytril Prescription

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:31 am
by Feolthanos
My vet last week, also over phone had prescribed baytril (as well as metacam) for my sneezy/'hiccuping' rats. Mostly hiccups/shaking/odd noise thing rather than sneezing by the time I'd rung the vet.

2.5% stuff for a week. 0.05ml twice a day for 225g and 274g rat. I fully expected to have to go back for more, but they are clearing up nicely touch wood (whether this is the spot on stuff I'd given them previously kicking in however I can't be sure). Vet was reluctant to prescribe a larger dose with a longer period without seeing them in person, so it's a wait and see and if they're still bad then I can get a appointment in surgery. This is my first rat vet appointment, so hard for me to bend the rules with them at the moment and know what's right.

Cost for consult, baytril, metacam and some seperate eye drops for a unrelated problem was around £90. The eye drops was about £28 of that however. Pets at home use vets4pets, so I imagine a similar cost.

Re: Baytril Prescription

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:01 am
by CorbinDallasMyMan
cyber ratty wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:45 am
In the UK, baytril is always dispensed ready to give to the rat - I don't know what they do in the US, but the OP is in the UK. Also, we have quite strict controls over antibiotics here, to prevent overuse, so I very much doubt it would be possible to buy a whole bottle. It might seem more economical but it would go out of date long before it was all used anyway.
My vets have always given me a ready-to-administer suspension but given different levels of exotics experience in different vets around the US, not every vet knows how to treat rats. I've actually read about people's vets giving them enro tablets and sending them out the door instructing them to give their rat an eighth tablet (or whatever) twice a day.

Baytril can be purchased in the US (and the UK) by the bottle with a prescription. Being that liquid enro is available from 2.27% to 10%, both in an injectable as well as a flavored oral solution (and the injectable must be diluted, which changes the mg/ml), it's not always a good idea to buy it yourself. Getting a ready-to-administer suspension with clear instructions directly from the vet is definitely the safer and easier choice.

That said, 3 sick ratties could potentially go through a 100 ml bottle of 25 mg/ml in a 2 week ABs course.

Re: Baytril Prescription

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:46 am
by [cub]
CorbinDallasMyMan wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:01 am
My vets have always given me a ready-to-administer suspension but given different levels of exotics experience in different vets around the US, not every vet knows how to treat rats. I've actually read about people's vets giving them enro tablets and sending them out the door instructing them to give their rat an eighth tablet (or whatever) twice a day.
One of my first rat prescriptions was 1/16ths of a doxycycline tablet twice a day*. :lol: A lot of medications aren't readily available as liquids, so often you just have to make do with what you can get. Though thankfully liquid enrofloxacin (Baytril™ etc.) is available at basically every vet practice here; I've never heard of anyone being prescribed tablets for that.
CorbinDallasMyMan wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:01 am
That said, 3 sick ratties could potentially go through a 100 ml bottle of 25 mg/ml in a 2 week ABs course.
At the current top dose for enrofloxacin in the UK exotics formulary (which I've never actually seen used; standard dose is half that), those rats would have to be 1.5kg each (!) to use up a 100mL bottle of 2.5% Baytril in 2 weeks. You really don't need that big a bottle unless you've got a lot of rats to treat. Liquid medications tend not to be particularly stable once opened, and Baytril in particular starts going cloudy/crystalline after a few months.

* "But how on earth do you do that accurately?", I hear you cry. Turns out the answer is:
- jeweller's scales (accurate to 0.01g)
- lab-grade mortar and pestle (i.e. ceramic)
- suitable bulking agent (e.g. Smash™) to at most 10x the mass of the tablet
- about 5 minutes of patient grinding
Total setup cost is about £20; mine was a bit more since I splurged for a fancier set of scales.

Re: Baytril Prescription

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:22 am
by cyber ratty
[cub] wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:46 am
* "But how on earth do you do that accurately?", I hear you cry. Turns out the answer is: ....
I just crush the tablet, then sit the powder in the crease of folded stiff paper, divide it in 2, and again, and again - then fold each portion up in paper. It would seem very dodgy to an uninformed onlooker! ;)

Re: Baytril Prescription

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:04 pm
by CorbinDallasMyMan
[cub] wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:46 am
those rats would have to be 1.5kg each (!) to use up a 100mL bottle of 2.5% Baytril in 2 weeks.
Oh my gosh, I moved a decimal! I did the math as 2.5 mg/ml instead of 2.5%! More proof idiots like me shouldn't be dosing their own rats!