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Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:41 am
by oowie
The cage i have for the intro is 55x39x27 cm.
I think it is too small for the babies to live in for 2 weeks. I then have to buy a second cage....

The breeder said i can take my 2 rats when i pick up the babies so that we can see how they react to eachoter and have them travel home together in the carrier.

I think this is scary..... what if things go wrong? It is a 1 hour drive....

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:17 pm
by [cub]
oowie wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:41 am
The cage i have for the intro is 55x39x27 cm.
I think it is too small for the babies to live in for 2 weeks. I then have to buy a second cage....

The breeder said i can take my 2 rats when i pick up the babies so that we can see how they react to eachoter and have them travel home together in the carrier.

I think this is scary..... what if things go wrong? It is a 1 hour drive....
If both you and the breeder are happy with that, then take a second carrier with you so you can split the group if necessary. If you'll have a car you can also bring a spray bottle of water and some thick gloves without too much bother. That's what I do when I do intros away from home.

With 6 week olds you'll need to give them extras probably daily? so they'll need regular separation from the others.

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:45 am
by cyber ratty
Could the breeder not keep them for an extra week or two? How heavy are they now?

Intro advice needed -young rats-

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:28 pm
by oowie
Mod note: thread merged with your existing one, please do not start multiple threads on the same topic which would mean repetition in the replies.


I have two male rats, 12 weeks old atm.
Next week i will be picking up two male rats who are then 6 weeks old.

I read different things on the internet about intro's.
Some say to start asap when the kittens are 6 weeks, because at that age they are not threatening to the others and the others will not fight the kittens.

Others say youshould let the kittens settle in first and have them at a min weight of 200gr and 8 weeks old, so they can protect themselves if the older rats are bullying them
(Again....with the 6 weeks old there should be less problems)

And..... another question... with the ages of then 13 and 6 weeks old.... is this still a intro between kittens only?

My current boys weigh 380gr atm.
What is best to do? Intro direct, so the older boys will accept the kittens without problems, and also before their hormones and puberty are kicking in?

Or wait a few more weeks?

Years ago i have done intro's using the carrier method.
But this was always with adukt and easy going males between kittens.

I have a CN single level, a carrier 36 x 26 x 33 cm and a hamster cage 55x39x27cm

Re: Intro advice needed -young rats-

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:19 am
by [cub]
I've never had rats that young so I'm not actually sure. One important thing to remember is that injuries need not be intentional; there's plenty of scope for accidental injury when playing, especially if the older kittens are getting to the age where their play is more rough.

Everything I've heard about buck kitten intros suggests you don't really hit the 'threatening' age until they're about 12 weeks so you don't need to rush at 6 weeks. Given that your current kittens already weigh 380g (more than most of my adult does weighed at their heaviest) and are only going to get heavier, I'd be hesitant unless those 6 week olds are really quite robust.

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:57 am
by oowie
ok thank you, i wil have to wait and see how much the kittens weigh and how they behave. if they are too small and/or too scared, i will wait a couple weeks before i introduce them.

what cage sizes do you use for the introduction?

I have their original cage, a CN single level for them to live in: 91,5 x 60,9x63
I have a carrier: Ferplast Aladino large, 36 x 26 x 23 cm

and i now have two hamster cages:
-Ferplast mini duna multy, 55 x 39 x 27 cm.
-ferplast mary: 80 x 50 x 38 cm cm

I think it is best to start the intro in the mini duna, then go to the mary cage, and then to their original cage? or should i start in the carrier?

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:40 am
by cyber ratty
Start in the carrier (that's why it's called the carrier method ;) they need to be squashed together for the first stage). Give them a few hours at least, but you should see them snuggling together quite soon.

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:05 am
by oowie
Last wednesday we picked up the new boys, 6 weeks old, weight 100-110gr.
We put them in their own cage to let them settle in, but they weren't scared or nervous at all.
Friday i was home and i decided to give it a try.
I don't have a proper neutral space for them to start, and the little ones are verry verry fast and i didn't want them to run away and get lost in the house, so i started them in the hamster cage, ferplast mini duna.
It is a neutral space because it is never jused before.
One of my older boys was laying the little ones on their back a couple times. The other one just layed next to the babies and protected them from his "bad" brother.
In the afternoon they all lay together in peace.
Yesterday morning i gave them the bigger hamster cage (ferplast mary).
Everything went well so i put in a open hammock. Again, all sleeping together in the hammock.
The babies are not afraid or nervous at all and i have seen one of my older boys play with them. The other ones loves to cuddle up with the babies.

All is still going well, but i see that they are become frustrated with the small space.
I will put them in the critter nation single level today.
With only two toilets in it, the platform, lava ledges and wheel. I will also provide one open hammock and work from there on.

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:38 am
by oowie
Update: i have them in the empty CN since this morning.
It only has 2 drinking bottles and 2 foodbowls, the one used open hammock and the toilets with used substrate in it.
At first they were running and sniffing around, climbing and one off the big boys laid one of the young boys on his back, but more playwise, no sign of agression and no chasing or holding down.

They are now sleeping in 2 mixed groups on the cage floor.
I will be with them all day to keep an eye on them.

Edit: while i was writing this they decided to cuddle up all together the toilet and sleep there.

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:11 pm
by cyber ratty
I'm glad it's gone so well, but the babies are very tiny, and could easily have been injured or killed if the older ones hadn't been so welcoming.

The babies will need a lot of feeding up over the next month, they are really too small to have been homed. I expect they haven't even moulted yet. :(

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:00 pm
by oowie
In the netherlands it is normal to home the babies at 6 weeks old and a minimum of 100gr.

They are now 7 weeks and weigh 125gr. My other boys are 13 weeks and around 380-390gr.

I have put all 4 of them them back in the mary cage to let them settle a bit more.

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:00 pm
by oowie
Everything is going wel, but because of the advices on the internet, and me not beeing home during the day , i decided to seperate them and let them grow for a week or two, and then start a new intro between them.
Do you think it will make a difference that they already now each other?

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:04 am
by cyber ratty
I think that's wise, and yes I'm sure they will remember they've already met, so it should be a smooth intro when they are ready. :)

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:06 pm
by [cub]
They sound absolutely tiny, bless them. :o I've only had 7 week olds once, and even the smallest was over 180g when I took them home, so your new boys will definitely benefit from plenty of extra food while they're separated (and still even after they're reintroduced).

Re: How to build op the group

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:18 pm
by oowie
I feed them ratrations mix nr 9 and also 2 wetfood meals daily.
In the morning i use the wetfoodmix from RR, nr 20 i think it is, with DR3, and in the evening i feed some cooked buckwheat or rice, with chicken or egg, pumpkin, kale,carrot,berries,green beans and peas.
The love the wetfood and between that they eat from the dryfoodmix.