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explorer cage

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 6:31 pm
by cosmo
i don't have rats yet and i am just getting things ready but i have a question well several really but will deal with one at a time while i have a read of the forum posts

i have been given an explorer cage which is massive and i already love the size but the trays are useless they are metal but both are rusted with holes in so i was wondering if there was somewhere i could either buy replacement trays or make some from acrylic and if i made them from acrylic would i need to use the trays to keep them in place or a piece of wood maybe. i am only thinking of getting a couple of rats so only plan on using the top section just not sure how or if i should just buy a new cage

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 1:45 pm
by ScissorCrow
If you want to stick with metal : http://www.johnhopewell.co.uk/default.a ... ductid=365

You might consider using a plastic dog crate tray if you can find one the correct size, though these can be chewed.

I would use the entire cage, if you have the whole thing why make your rats live in a small space with less enrichment opportunities? Also, wouldn't bother with a middle shelf, just use a deep bottom tray, then have plenty of ropes, tree branches etc for climbing around the cage.
How is the rest of the cage for rust?

Have you read that it's best to get three rats? If one dies the other won't be left alone, and if they have different personalities a quiet rat won't be bothered constantly by a more outgoing one.

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 3:30 pm
by cosmo
the rest of the cage seems fine think it was because it was sitting outside for a long time and the trays had a lot of water in them was only when i was cleaning them the rust showed up and got holes

i have read the post about having custom trays made http://www.fancyratsforum.co.uk/viewtop ... stom+trays so will order them and get one made up


i hadn't read that but i guess i could get 3, still not sure on boys or girls

i could use the whole cage i have some driftwood i could use for climbing and some different size thickness of ropes. not sure best place to buy hammocks or make my own


will keep reading, still got food to consider yet, and a first aid box for just in case

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 10:28 am
by ScissorCrow
I bought some hammocks and made a LOT of my own, to be honest my rats do all seem to prefer the bought ones for sleeping in, but for me making my own is so much cheaper, just using scrap fabrics.

I can recommend Snugglebug Hammocks, I've had rats for 7 years and the four hammocks I bought then are still in use today, the ones I made have long gone.

There are lots of tutorials for making hammocks, I use this sites downloadable pdf guide

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 2:33 pm
by cosmo
ScissorCrow wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:28 am
I bought some hammocks and made a LOT of my own, to be honest my rats do all seem to prefer the bought ones for sleeping in, but for me making my own is so much cheaper, just using scrap fabrics.

I can recommend Snugglebug Hammocks, I've had rats for 7 years and the four hammocks I bought then are still in use today, the ones I made have long gone.

There are lots of tutorials for making hammocks, I use this sites downloadable pdf guide
thank-you i will look at both those sites

i have ordered the perspex and also ordered a piece of 6mm thick to go under it on the bottom so its a little more sturdy will make the perspex into a box so its water tight as well, guess i could use epoxy to seal it around the edges or get some plastic glue

anyone know how long it takes to cure so its safe? i would use silicone but i have read ratties love to chew it so think i wont go that route

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 4:37 pm
by cyber ratty
I used superglue, but some use gorilla tape - ready straight away :luck:

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 6:45 am
by CorbinDallasMyMan
Clear gorilla tape is probably the most accessible option. Super glue works okay to bond acrylic but some sort of acrylic weld/solvent product would be the strongest and most long-lasting way to adhere pieces of acrylic. An acrylic weld product actually melts the plastic together, forming a very strong bond.

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 3:17 pm
by cosmo
CorbinDallasMyMan wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 6:45 am
Clear gorilla tape is probably the most accessible option. Super glue works okay to bond acrylic but some sort of acrylic weld/solvent product would be the strongest and most long-lasting way to adhere pieces of acrylic. An acrylic weld product actually melts the plastic together, forming a very strong bond.
so something like this?
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Plastic-Ceme ... 07&sr=8-13

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:12 pm
by CorbinDallasMyMan
Possibly? The product page doesn't provide a lot of information. The welding solution I've used is methylene chloride and it's like water. You basically need a needle/syringe applicator bottle to apply it. The water droplet graphic on the front of the packaging of the plastic weld product in your link and the questions/reviews make me think this is maybe the kind of product I'm talking about. It's not a glue or adhesive and it only works to melt two pieces of plastic together.

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:34 pm
by [cub]
ScissorCrow wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 1:45 pm
If you want to stick with metal : http://www.johnhopewell.co.uk/default.a ... ductid=365
Sadly John Hopewell has retired ... Perspex trays are now the way forward.

As for how many rats, if you only ever want to have a couple rats at once, you probably should think about getting another kind of pet. Even if you only start with 2 rats, when 1 inevitably dies, you'll need to get new friends for the remaining rat, and it's fairly rare for new rats to come on their own. Most breeders will only home out babies in pairs, since young rats need similar-age company for healthy development, and rats in rescues will generally be up for adoption in pairs or small groups already. So you'll end up with 3 rats at a minimum for at least some of the time. It's more realistic to be thinking of a rolling group of 2-4: having only a pair of rats leaves you vulnerable to ending up with a lone rat and potentially having to rush to find them new friends as ScissorCrow mentioned.

I had 2 rats shortly before lockdown and, long story short, I am now hopefully temporarily stuck with 1 rat. Luckily she's turned out to be one of the rats that copes better with being on her own — some rats will get extremely depressed and stop eating altogether — but she's still noticeably quieter and more nervous than she used to be. We're definitely looking forward to being able to get her some new friends to hopefully perk her up.

(Incidentally, a whole Explorer is not by any means too much space for a small group of rats; I've had pairs in a cage of a similar size and they used all the space and didn't seem fazed by it.)

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 10:19 pm
by cosmo
i was thinking a couple then thought maybe 3 but not the 14 i think it says that can go in the cage i think that would be too many as a first time rat owner, i'm not against getting more and starting off with maybe 3 or 4 or even a group of 5 if it comes up but i dont want to get overwhelmed with them being my first rats

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 12:31 pm
by [cub]
Oh goodness no, I don't think anyone was suggesting you should start with the maximum occupancy. :lol: Not least because if you get 14 at once, you also end up with 14 all going through old age and its attendant illnesses and deaths all at the same time. Luckily there do exist numbers between 2 and 14. :P Most people start with 3 and then add a pair every so often, to keep the ages staggered.

Re: explorer cage

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:21 pm
by cosmo
well thats ok then was getting worried there, still think i wont get the cage to full occupancy just so they still have lots of room to play in when not out free ranging