Useless or Semi Useless Vets...Is it me or what?

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Useless or Semi Useless Vets...Is it me or what?

Post by Remster » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:48 pm

:?: I wonder... even though I've only been keeping rats a handful of years... is it just me or do other ratlovers on this forum have the same problem...useless vets with a kind of glassy eyed, dumb stare that only comes over them when you bring out a rat!! Looks a bit like this face :roll: or this one :shock:

When ever I see my vet with my other pets... the consultations / medicines and soloutions offered are fine even though recovery varies. But when I take any of my rats.... it seems that some vets don't even know the basics of rodent anatomy...one vet didn't even know how to properly hold and handle a rat!! Is it reluctance, fear or maybe rats just don't feature high in the ranking of vet medicine training like cats and dogs do.

98% of the time it's me who ends up making the diagnosis... and asking for the right meds. Perhaps I should have been a vet!! I thought vets where supposed to tell me what's wrong and suggest what treatment.... and I just find it perculiar that it only happens with my rats and not my other pets...I have rabbits, Gerbils, and Mice etc.

Just thought I'd share....

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Post by ticketyboo_fran » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:01 pm

This has definately happened to me, I've had one say to me that she couldn't check a lump without sedation!? Diglet showed her! ;) I won't be seeing her again!
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Post by Nicky » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:04 pm

DOH poor you

I'm really lucky. Not only are my vets fabulous with rats they know that I'll have asked on here, researched etc and they're happy to listen to what I have to say and have tried treatments/meds I've suggested, even if they've never tried them before (eg Doxy/Baytril combo, Fortekor). The receptionists and nurses are fabulous there too.

One of the newer vets that I first thought was a bit rude on the phone (hadn't met her at that point) is actually very good and small animals are her 'special subject'. She was so lovely when I rushed Ripley down there one Saturday morning with her throat problem that I wouldn't worry if it was her I had to see. In fact there's only one vet there that I even sink slightly about if I have to see him and that's the owner of the practice! Even then it's only because he can be a bit grim about things (he said Riddick's preputial gland abscess - the first one I'd experienced - was "probably a tumour to be honest") and isn't used to bigger boy rats, saying they're overweight when they're not (his wife is the same).
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Re: Useless or Semi Useless Vets...Is it me or what?

Post by Totality » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:48 pm

it makes me laugh when they class them as exotic animals in the vets, maybe next time i go with my ill one to make it seem a little more mysterious i'll say he is a long tailed hamster and see if this still counts as an exotic animal lol, but yea i have to agree with you!

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Post by Exogenesis » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:02 pm

When people ask what I have in the carrier, I feel like saying 'a long-tailed tree hamster'. Since rat is obviously a bad description. My old vets were useless but did tend to listen to me, I now have another vet for anything I'm not sure of and surgical things. One of my old vets once asked me if a respy rat had been 'coughing' too much :lol:
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Post by NellyNoodle » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:06 pm

I very nearly told people in the vets the other day that Oates was a bald tailed squirrel womble :lol: yep, same problem with vets. Best was being told my himi was more likely to get tumours due to being white, but they've come out with some right bull in general. I'm now of the opinion that it's better to have a rat ignorant vet who will listen and give you what you need than a 'specialist' who won't listen or give you what you ask for, but that's a bit depressing when you're paying them and aren't supposed to be the expert.

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Post by HannahF » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:13 pm

I dont mind the ones that are honest about the fact they dont know much, in fact one of my favourite vets at my previous practice knew the least initially but was eager to learn and research.

The ones who I really have issues with are the know it alls, there was one at my old practice that nearly got a fist in his face because of one particular visit. I'd taken Milo in because he was respy and tilty, I told him it was a myco flare up and I needed some Baytril because he'd had it several times and his response was to suck his teeth at me :angryrat: and say "Nope, its a tumour. I mean I can prescribe some Baytril if you really want but theres not much point because its definitely a tumour.", cue me taking a deep breath and responding with "I'll just have the Baytril". And surprise, surprise after a 14 day course he was fine. That vet was lucky I needed the abs lol!
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Post by annc » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:32 pm

I'm so lucky with my practice. Bradley deals with most of the rats and has learned a lot, and is always willing to listen. Today I had to see one of the less experienced ones, but when I see them I take two or three to talk about, have my suggestions, which she's always ready to take up. Today I gave her a lesson on HLD! My dear two refuse the child Sudafed, so now have Bisolvon. At the weekend I was afraid Dika was going downhill, but out of her cage she's quite perky, even if her legs won't go where she wants and she looks so bony. I do usually ask Bradley whether he thinks her quality of life is OK.
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Post by babytarragon » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 pm

My vets are great. They admit they don't see many rats but always say it positively, as if my boys are bringing a nice bit of variation! I have seen the same vet for a dog and rat pts and got the same respect with both. My vet is a small local business, I don't know if that makes a difference.

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Post by StormySkye » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:07 pm

There are so many useless ones out there :roll: My worst experience was when Lily had a myco flare up. She was underdosed on baytril, so I rang to make an appointment for more meds but my vet wasn't there. So the owner of the practice told me over the phone, "I don't have any interest in rats, but you can bring it in if you want, but there's nothing we can do now apart from put it to sleep". :shock: I still wish I'd put in a complaint, but I was too horrified and upset at the time :evil:
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Post by ruinme » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:30 pm

StormySkye wrote:There are so many useless ones out there :roll: My worst experience was when Lily had a myco flare up. She was underdosed on baytril, so I rang to make an appointment for more meds but my vet wasn't there. So the owner of the practice told me over the phone, "I don't have any interest in rats, but you can bring it in if you want, but there's nothing we can do now apart from put it to sleep". :shock: I still wish I'd put in a complaint, but I was too horrified and upset at the time :evil:
That's disgusting!

Hmm I've only dealt with one local vet practice and there is only one person in the whole practice I would trust with deal with any creature I take in. The practice as a whole don't seem to have a very good consideration for rats or rat knowledge.

The worse was one vet injected baytril into one of my now passed away girls, now injecting baytril was bad enough but I said yes because I was struggling to get any in her. She put the needle in and was starting to inject but of course rat wanted to run off because it hurt. The vet then let go and she had this injection just stuck and hanging in her. Was horrible! I now only trust one vet to inject any of my animals who does it so swiftly and covers them so they don't even know its happened.

I wish I could look for a more rat specialised vets but then I would have to look at travelling further away.
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Post by Amzy » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:03 am

Nicky wrote:(his wife is the same).
Dunno whether you got her on a bad day but she was amazing with me. She listened when I rushed Cookie in and gave me what I want and even said to me that she trusted me and believed I probably knew more than her about rats. She'll follow articles and stuff and I know Malude loved her also.

It depends who you get to see tbh - sometime's its the luck of the draw. I had a rat in as an emergency on Easter Sunday and all I could see was a large animal vet and he couldn't pick my girl up (she does have a bit of attitude though!). He applied his knowledge of other animals and looked her over and prescribed what we wanted. He admitted he wasn't a rodent specialist and was lovely about it. There is only 1 small animal specialist at my vets, and I need to learn to accept that I can't always see her i.e. today I needed an emergency op and I had to trust another vet to do it (okay my 2nd fave) but it was hard. Theres one vet I don't like seeing because he really lacks people and small rodent skills. I actually complained about him once because he fobbed me off with ABs and didn't give me a proper consult. I got a consult for free with the small animal vet.

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Re: Useless or Semi Useless Vets...Is it me or what?

Post by Nicky » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:35 am

Amzy wrote:
Nicky wrote:(his wife is the same).
Dunno whether you got her on a bad day but she was amazing with me. She listened when I rushed Cookie in and gave me what I want and even said to me that she trusted me and believed I probably knew more than her about rats. She'll follow articles and stuff and I know Malude loved her also.
I only meant with the fat/overweight comments tbh. She was great when Tempey and Kembali's neuters abscessed and was goin to bring up what internal sutures they use in rats at their monthly case meeting thingy as she was concerned
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Post by leg_iron » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:47 am

I've had one bad experience at the vets practise that i use. When Septimus had had a stroke, i took him in to be looked at. I explained all the symptoms & that i'd raised a thread on here & everyone had said that he had had a stroke. The young vet said that he couldnt see any neurological symptoms & he wasnt eating because he was in pain. No he wasnt eating be cause he'd had a stroke. I could have screamed & i feltlike he was dimissing everything that i had told him!!! Septimus died that night. The vets were very shocked & apologetic when i phoned up the following morning to let them know he had died.
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Post by cyber ratty » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:43 am

Remster wrote:Is it reluctance, fear or maybe rats just don't feature high in the ranking of vet medicine training like cats and dogs do.

It's the latter - they don't get any training on rats. They have to learn it on the job or through personal research, and the guidelines they have for referring to are inaccurate (e.g. for baytril dosage).

I've given a talk about rats to vet students on a couple of occasions (zoological societies at Cambridge and London - voluntary attendance), and they were really interested to find out about them, and get to meet them afterwards - so hopefully those vets will at least know the basics once they've qualified. :luck:

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